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  • CHRISTMAS….. A Christian Event,,, or Some Pegan Ceremonies, or Just What Exactly?

    Its that time of year again that we are all suppose to “spread joy” and do our part to support the 25% of economic activity for the year that goes on over these couple of weeks. I certainly don’t…

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    • I had no idea that Christmas may have had anything to do with opening the doors of perception with red and white mushrooms. I wouldn’t mind one of those in my Xmas stocking.

    • I did a post similar to this and pissed off so many people on facebook. Even Bible.com says Jesus was probably born in Sept. Gotta love consumerism.

    • I don’t call myself a member of any religion but I like to see people feeling “high” even with their superstitions.
      Is this abused? Absolutely!
      Are people happy with this abuse?Definately!
      Check Holywood movies, the most dramatic scene of “end of childhood” is when a kid stops believing Santa.
      @i-am , it doesn’t matter how loud you scream the truth, you can’t fight with this.
      FD.

      • true, I don’t want to fight it, I just want to call it out for what it is. Without consumerism there might be mass suicides from feelings of meaninglessness as people regain consciousness of their empty holes that they were constantly filling with “purchasing”.

    • Great post, although it might piss a few off, great to see some openness and facts in an article of this nature. Thanks for sharing @i-am.
      Regards,
      Mark (Zeus69)

    • Really interesting! Merry Xmas!

    • After consumerism, christmas is just a day to generate revenue, as yyou.mentioned, a 1/4 of the total economic activity of the year.

    • i’m a muslim so i don’t really know about such beliefs. thanks for sharing buddy

    • This is really good information. Thanks for letting us know.

    • how many stories around Christmas … Nice article and Merry Christmas!

    • Very interesting also your research in this regard, especially I liked the part of the Allegro hypothesis and the mushrooms.

    • Interesting post@i-am. No one knows the date Christ was born. As a Christain, I don’t view December 25th as Jesus’s literal birthday, but rather just the day most Christians agree to celebrate His birth. I realize many view Christmas as just a fun time to give and receive. Others choose to get caught up in materialism. Each to their own. We’re all free to have our own beliefs and make our own choices.
      Personally, I’d love Christmas even if I wasn’t a Christain. Everyone makes an extra effort to get together with family, help those in need and just be thankful for being alive. Obviously we don’t need a holiday to do any of those things. Of course we should try to do them anyway. But Christmas gives us all a mutual time to make the extra effort to get together and enjoy time with those we love and may not have seen for awhile. Religion aside, I find that to be a very positive thing.
      As far as materialism and greed…I think people prone to those things will do them anyway. If we stopped celebrating Christmas tomorrow, people would find another reason to shop and spend money. Still, I’d like to see less focus on things and more focus on God, family and friends (or just family and friends if you’re not religious).
      Our family puts a cap on the amount of physical gifts we give…especially for the kids. We don’t want them to think Christmas is about getting a ton of material things. Instead we try to teach them to give to others by performing an act of kindness. Bottom line, I agree society has become far too materialistic. This has spilled over into every aspect of life, including Christmas. That said, I love this time of year. Yes, there are negative things you can focus on, but overall, I find Christmas tends to bring out the best in most people.
      Anyway…thanks for your thoughts. I’d wish you a Merry Christmas, but I get the feeling you’re more of a Festivus kind of guy…so Happy Festivus my friend! 😉

      • That is great that you minimize the training of “materialism” on your kids !!!! I agree with you that those things are important, God (aka TRUTH), Family & Friends and whatever helps one focus on those is not all bad. I think i was trying to point out that many of us in many aspects of our lives follow “old rituals” that we are not even aware are rituals or where they came from. (I’ll be having a series on Holidays) And I think its very interesting to discover where those traditions/rituals came from and their original meanings,,,,, and with that awareness one may gain more insight into how those activities and symbols might be brainwashing them/us culturally…. Well I think its interesting anyways.

        • Yeah…I’m a firm believer in teaching kids to appreciate the small things. This is the mistake all prosperous societies make. They get comfortable and start taking for grated how good they have it. We’re see it in America right now with this victimhood mentality. People have it so good here that they start trying to find things to get outraged about. They have no idea what it truly means to live in an oppressive society.
          We’re seeing it with the rise of socialism as well. People don’t understand how much death and poverty has resulted from socialist/communist ideas. It’s easier to exercise first level thinking and say, “I’m entitled to this or that”, without ever digging deeper. So I agree information is good. Learning the origin of things, as well as historical mistakes, helps us grow and evolve.

    • Always CocaCola! Nice, thanks for share @i-am

    • Interesting post. I like Christmas because I have an excuse to meet the family.

    • Finche non sara inventato un altro giorno magico senza consumismo,fara il Natale da padrone,perche a noi gente comune piaciono le magie…

    • I am lost for words and I have no idea what to say. I’m just gonna wish you a happy new year. Cheers

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  • IF A TREE FALLS IN THE WOODS AND NO ONE IS THERE TO “HEAR IT”, DOES IT MAKE A SOUND?

    You probably heard this thought experiment as a child, I know I use to ponder it, but with a total lack of understanding of the realities of CONSCIOUSNESS and MIND (not “brain).  This question can be logically approached with…

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    • Is man really the center of the universe? Come on dude, there’s plenty of other sentient beings out there living in the woods who run away from the trees when they fall to avoid getting crushed. Sure, you can call a falling tree a pressure wave if you want. And that’s pretty obvious by all the detritus that gets thrown around when it hits ground. But it gets too far outside the bounds of reason to suggest that a falling tree that hits something solid don’t make noise. Physics be damned, look at the reality of it. Anyway, if physics is only 100 years old then trees got that licked. I’ve seen plenty of trees over 500 years.

      • I still gave you a 5 star vote for brain exercise even though it was silly!

      • By NO MEANS is “man the center of the universe”…. CONSCIOUSNESS (not necessarily human) is the FOUNDATION of the Universe.

        Sound only happens in an EXPERIENCER aka an OBSERVER,,,, if now one experiences (or animal or other conscious form) the “pressure waves” then that is all they are ,,, pressure waves,,,, a falling tree creates pressure waves,,, a MIND aka an EXPERIENCER turns the pressure waves into the PERCEPTION of “SOUND”.

        2 different things:
        SENSATIONS and
        PERCEPTIONS

        • Sure, sensations and perceptions are different. No argument there. Feelings are also something different. I’m prescribing all that to a sentient being relationship. Not sure if you are too.
          Energy is the foundation of the universe, not consciousness. Caps does not change that. Our true spirit is energy, as also is a rock’s. But I get the feeling you’ve never stood by when a 6′ diameter tree hits the ground. It’s a freaking geologic event. The ground bucks and heaves, a puny human bean ‘observer’ might even get air born for a spell. More than just pressure waves at work. However, earthquakes might be simply ‘pressure waves’ in your book and inaudible to the human ear also. And maybe a truck passing on a gravel road, spitting rocks at you. But hey, maybe what we’re having here is a failure to communicate, and are using different ‘definitions’ for these words we use. Maybe you could define the words ‘Sound’, ‘Pressure wave’, ‘Mind’, and ‘Perception’. Just so we can compare notes on exactly what Reality is.
          Cheers mate!

          • Yes, those pressure waves (from a tree or earthquake or of any type) are energy. Truck spiting rocks is energy too, kinetic energy, not pressure waves.

            Sound is an experience, requires a sentient being, it is the result of processing the physical (meaning measurable) energy. One’s experience of sound is only subjectively measurable, energy is objectively measurable.

            “Pressure Wave” is type of propagating energy.

            MIND is what is having an “experience” – what thinks it is “awake”. Mind is not tangible or measurable.

            Perception is what happens inside of MIND, it is the interpretation of the sensed “energy”, it is NOT objective, it is Subjective (dependent on the subject having the experience).

            Here is one of the newest and most advanced theories in Physics, called Emergence Theory, its very interesting:

            • Cool, I like your definitions. By your definition of sound I believe you just made my point, ie. that when a tree falls my subjective experience of the sound created from the physical energy of the tree falling is noisy. Glad we got that figured out!

              Where you at with wind? Not flatulence specifically, more like a storm at sea? Or heaven forbid, in the forest?

              • yes, when the tree falls in the woods you have a subjective experience of “noise”,,,, but if there is no “subject” there (you or other conscious thing) then there is no “noise”.

                “Storm” is a subjective interpretation of the level of wind. The energy level of wind (flatulence or otherwise) is measurable,,, but whether or not one finds it disturbing or “too strong” (odor included) is purely subjective, aand not an objective measurable “thing”, like the wind or the amount of methane in a fart are measurable.

                ROTFLMAO

    • Good choice of topic. I Was actually having a conversation with a friend of mine, about this question, based on sound waves and vibrations. i think we came to the conclusion that no there is no sound if no one or device there to translate the vibration.

      • Yep. But even a “device” only records the “physical event”, sound is a mental event, it requires a consciousness to interpret the physical event.

    • Well, you will not believe me but I had never asked myself this question or heard about it and of course you have raised it very well, as well as the explanation of your scientific answer.
      Very interesting, my friend!

      • yes, its an interesting question to ponder, I always thought it was an Eastern Religious question of Monks that did martial arts,,, but I can’t find any links to that in order to verify my suspicions.

    • I’ve had arguments over pints of Guinness about this question. I’m going to show your explanation to all those fools, later on. Thanks.

    • Perception…wow. I got scared when you said there ain’t no such thing as color or sound but I totally got the point by the end of the post. Beautifully crafted

      • It is something a lot of people don’t think about, especially because the current school systems and society in general are so focused on the MATERIAL WORLD (as explained by Newton) and the acquisition of material possessions (often to define one’s self — incorrectly I might add).

    • Sound is defined as the action of vibrations in the ear, so if there is no ear around to hear it, then naturally no one hears it.

      • Even after it hts the eat it is only nerve impulsrs. There has to be a mon physical consciousness to actusly experience it..aka MIND…. The brain is only nurve impulses.

    • Just rate you ☆☆☆☆☆
      But, is there only silence in space? 🙂

    • Good artikel about hearing, Thanks for sharing this post !!

    • The classic “If a tree falls and no-one is around to hear it, does it make a sound” question 🙂 Well written post and agree with what you said – studied physics for a good few years at school and this question was asked back then. Sound is the human perception of waves of air particles (pressure waves as you called it) that are detected by the ear or felt by the body if those wave frequencies are low enough enough (like a bassline from a big hitting track in a festival).

      As these waves of particles have to be perceived by a living being with ears for it to be called “sound”, then if there is no-one around to hear it, it makes no sound by that definition.

      Still cool to talk about but as a great physicist said – “Life (and the Universe) is a lot easier to understand when you think of it in terms of frequencies”.

      Enjoyed reading your post- keep them coming!

    • I’ve heard that there is no color in general, but that the sound is not measured, it’s something new for me. A great article.

    • Very nice! You were right; I like this stuff! 🙂

      The fact that sound and color are just interpretations by a conscious mind is further indicated by people with “synesthesia”; such a mind, even in a deaf person, can see sounds as colored light…

    • Wow, that’s really a great explanation! I agree to your explanation to frequency from what I understand about it

    • Very interesting! Science gives us an interesting view of the very existence of man. Thanks for the good article @TRUTH(@i-am)

    • Questioning experiments and stories, I like this … but I can’t confirm your question with my answer correctly ..

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